Comments on: Bonnaroo 2011: For All My Riggaz http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/ Entertainment is the opiate of the masses, drugs are are consumed religiously, and today's religion is just another form of entertainment. Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:41:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: JoeBot http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-108 JoeBot Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:14:15 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-108 Vakreshvara Das, There is nothing funnier than a furious Krishna cultie. Here are some classic quotes from your concise tirade against Dee, in no particular order: <blockquote>Are you so perfect, that you can stand on a steeple and judge others? </blockquote> <blockquote>what I could decipher through your redneck nazi-like diatribe I will attempt to respond to.</blockquote> Redneck? Nazi-like? Both funny jibes, but not as funny as something like: "A cult-like band of dress-wearing closet masturbators." If you are going to insult people on my comments board, please feel free to be creative. <blockquote>Do you think all those porno movies you watch were not produced on the abuse of women?</blockquote> How do you know Dee has ever seen a porno, let alone enjoys them? <blockquote>You think you’re so intellectual and radical, but you’re just another ignorant hater spitting hatred and fear on something you don’t even understand or know about.</blockquote> Who's spitting hatred and fear around here? <blockquote>America and the rest of the industrial world is killing the entire planet all around us, while we’re too busy eating Mcdonalds and seeing our new Facebook comments to give a damn...</blockquote> Then about your fellow Bonnaroo vendors: <blockquote>doing everyday American things like selling animal corpses and methamphetamine pipes</blockquote> Who the hell is smoking meth at Bonnaroo who isn't working there? (I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I would never smoke meth without <em>air-conditioning</em>!) <blockquote>We Krishna devotees are constantly persecuted by people of dark consciousness like yourself.</blockquote> <blockquote>Why don’t we just go get an effing job[?]!</blockquote> <blockquote>I’m also very ignorant and fallen. Hare Krishna.</blockquote> Hope that clears a few things up for you, Vakreshvara Das. As you can clearly see, you're going to have to do a lot more yoga and prayer bead pulling before you have successfully stifled your defensive animal rage. Thank you for your brief and well thought out comment. Joseph Allen Vakreshvara Das,

There is nothing funnier than a furious Krishna cultie. Here are some classic quotes from your concise tirade against Dee, in no particular order:

Are you so perfect, that you can stand on a steeple and judge others?

what I could decipher through your redneck nazi-like diatribe I will attempt to respond to.

Redneck? Nazi-like? Both funny jibes, but not as funny as something like: “A cult-like band of dress-wearing closet masturbators.” If you are going to insult people on my comments board, please feel free to be creative.

Do you think all those porno movies you watch were not produced on the abuse of women?

How do you know Dee has ever seen a porno, let alone enjoys them?

You think you’re so intellectual and radical, but you’re just another ignorant hater spitting hatred and fear on something you don’t even understand or know about.

Who’s spitting hatred and fear around here?

America and the rest of the industrial world is killing the entire planet all around us, while we’re too busy eating Mcdonalds and seeing our new Facebook comments to give a damn…

Then about your fellow Bonnaroo vendors:

doing everyday American things like selling animal corpses and methamphetamine pipes

Who the hell is smoking meth at Bonnaroo who isn’t working there? (I’m kidding, I’m kidding. I would never smoke meth without air-conditioning!)

We Krishna devotees are constantly persecuted by people of dark consciousness like yourself.

Why don’t we just go get an effing job[?]!

I’m also very ignorant and fallen. Hare Krishna.

Hope that clears a few things up for you, Vakreshvara Das. As you can clearly see, you’re going to have to do a lot more yoga and prayer bead pulling before you have successfully stifled your defensive animal rage. Thank you for your brief and well thought out comment.

Joseph Allen

]]> By: Vakreshvara Das http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-107 Vakreshvara Das Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:10:52 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-107 Dee, You're comments hardly make rational sense, but what I could decipher through your redneck nazi-like diatribe I will attempt to respond to. In response, there's no "lurking" going on, we were openly set up at Bonnaroo like everyone else, you know, next to the familiar, totally fine and socially accepted vendors doing everyday American things like selling animal corpses and methamphetamine pipes. What gusto us Hare Krishna freaks have, there chanting and selling burritos! God, don't we understand people would rather just go and get wasted, have sex with intoxicated girls and not have to think about their inevitable death, and what might lay beyond it? Why don't we just go get an effing job! America and the rest of the industrial world is killing the entire planet all around us, while we're too busy eating Mcdonalds and seeing our new Facebook comments to give a damn about anything but our own pleasure, and here are the Hare Krishna's thinking they're so high and enlightened. Don't they know yoga is just a way to get hippie chicks? You think you're so intellectual and radical, but you're just another ignorant hater spitting hatred and fear on something you don't even understand or know about. You're identifying the ancient process of Bhakti Yoga with an institution (ISKCON). Yes, ISKCON has had a crap load of problems. But what vast worldwide organization is without controversy and problems? Could we expect an organization that took people off the street and accepted anyone not to run into problems later on? What can I say? I have no excuses for people that do harmful things to others. Are you so perfect, that you can stand on a steeple and judge others? Like you've never hurt other people and done sexually perverse things? Yeah right. Do you think all those porno movies you watch were not produced on the abuse of women? Yeah, but that was an adult consenting to blah, blah blah. It's still sexual exploitation dude, get a clue. Most of those women are abused themselves, maniacally depressed and on drugs. Of course in the case of innocent children it's a real tragedy. But the reality is that exploitation and abuse of children is happening everyday, everywhere. It happened thirty some years ago in ISKCON. If one person in a group of millions does something wrong, does that implicate and disqualify everyone? That's the same logic Al-Queda uses, your holiness. Get a clue. Compared to all the amazingly good and humanitarian works thousands of people have done through ISKCON and other Vaishnava groups, all over the world for 40 years, you're going to point your greasy finger at the bad that a handful of people did thirty years ago? What is even the point you're trying to make? That the Hare Krishna's should all be burned in nazi ovens? Or that we should just shut up and disappear? Or that we and everything we teach and experience is all bogus because some guys thirty years ago did something wrong? What's YOUR issue, dude? Are you just an atheist and you hate religion? Are you threatened by what we teach and represent? I'm sorry you're such an unhappy person that you wish to hate and curse at other people and religions. We Krishna devotees are constantly persecuted by people of dark consciousness like yourself. May God help you brother. I sincerely hope you find peace, and I'm not being dishonest. And thank you for reminding me not to be proud and puffed up, I'm also very ignorant and fallen. Hare Krishna. Dee,
You’re comments hardly make rational sense, but what I could decipher through your redneck nazi-like diatribe I will attempt to respond to. In response, there’s no “lurking” going on, we were openly set up at Bonnaroo like everyone else, you know, next to the familiar, totally fine and socially accepted vendors doing everyday American things like selling animal corpses and methamphetamine pipes. What gusto us Hare Krishna freaks have, there chanting and selling burritos! God, don’t we understand people would rather just go and get wasted, have sex with intoxicated girls and not have to think about their inevitable death, and what might lay beyond it? Why don’t we just go get an effing job! America and the rest of the industrial world is killing the entire planet all around us, while we’re too busy eating Mcdonalds and seeing our new Facebook comments to give a damn about anything but our own pleasure, and here are the Hare Krishna’s thinking they’re so high and enlightened. Don’t they know yoga is just a way to get hippie chicks?
You think you’re so intellectual and radical, but you’re just another ignorant hater spitting hatred and fear on something you don’t even understand or know about. You’re identifying the ancient process of Bhakti Yoga with an institution (ISKCON). Yes, ISKCON has had a crap load of problems. But what vast worldwide organization is without controversy and problems? Could we expect an organization that took people off the street and accepted anyone not to run into problems later on? What can I say? I have no excuses for people that do harmful things to others. Are you so perfect, that you can stand on a steeple and judge others? Like you’ve never hurt other people and done sexually perverse things? Yeah right. Do you think all those porno movies you watch were not produced on the abuse of women? Yeah, but that was an adult consenting to blah, blah blah. It’s still sexual exploitation dude, get a clue. Most of those women are abused themselves, maniacally depressed and on drugs. Of course in the case of innocent children it’s a real tragedy. But the reality is that exploitation and abuse of children is happening everyday, everywhere. It happened thirty some years ago in ISKCON. If one person in a group of millions does something wrong, does that implicate and disqualify everyone? That’s the same logic Al-Queda uses, your holiness. Get a clue.
Compared to all the amazingly good and humanitarian works thousands of people have done through ISKCON and other Vaishnava groups, all over the world for 40 years, you’re going to point your greasy finger at the bad that a handful of people did thirty years ago?
What is even the point you’re trying to make? That the Hare Krishna’s should all be burned in nazi ovens? Or that we should just shut up and disappear? Or that we and everything we teach and experience is all bogus because some guys thirty years ago did something wrong? What’s YOUR issue, dude? Are you just an atheist and you hate religion? Are you threatened by what we teach and represent?
I’m sorry you’re such an unhappy person that you wish to hate and curse at other people and religions. We Krishna devotees are constantly persecuted by people of dark consciousness like yourself. May God help you brother. I sincerely hope you find peace, and I’m not being dishonest. And thank you for reminding me not to be proud and puffed up, I’m also very ignorant and fallen. Hare Krishna.

]]> By: Dar http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-106 Dar Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:42:45 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-106 well written article. i was the guy with the camera on stage at during the last two songs of the Fine Peduncle set. I think you will like my videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9OslxifqSE well written article. i was the guy with the camera on stage at during the last two songs of the Fine Peduncle set. I think you will like my videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9OslxifqSE

]]> By: Dee http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-99 Dee Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:28:18 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-99 Hey there, Hare Krsna Dude So instead of the airport scene, you Krishna’s are lurking around hippy festivals these days Thanks for sharing your Krishna concepts with the unenlightened masses. In your blog, you wrote, “we should avoid sharing misinformation about Krishna’s interactions and divine past times, these spiritual topics are far far above both your head and mine.” Dang! You’re good!!! Although your explanation of Krishna was almost perfect, I wondered if you could shed some light on this particular comment, “And 95% of devotees don’t swear off sex forever-they just start a family and restrict their indulgence somewhat.” This “indulgence” you speak of, is it restricted to the women or does it also include their children? And while we are on the subject (you did open that door Mr. enlightened Hare Krshna Dude), maybe you could shed some “enlightenment” on all those lawsuits filed against ISKCON. You know, the ones dealing with the sexual exploitation of Krishna children. Here’s a few words of enlightenment for you – In this country, it’s called PEDOPHILIA!!! Hey there, Hare Krsna Dude

So instead of the airport scene, you Krishna’s are lurking around hippy festivals these days
Thanks for sharing your Krishna concepts with the unenlightened masses. In your blog, you wrote, “we should avoid sharing misinformation about Krishna’s interactions and divine past times, these spiritual topics are far far above both your head and mine.” Dang! You’re good!!! Although your explanation of Krishna was almost perfect, I wondered if you could shed some light on this particular comment, “And 95% of devotees don’t swear off sex forever-they just start a family and restrict their indulgence somewhat.” This “indulgence” you speak of, is it restricted to the women or does it also include their children? And while we are on the subject (you did open that door Mr. enlightened Hare Krshna Dude), maybe you could shed some “enlightenment” on all those lawsuits filed against ISKCON. You know, the ones dealing with the sexual exploitation of Krishna children.
Here’s a few words of enlightenment for you – In this country, it’s called PEDOPHILIA!!!

]]> By: Jamsmith http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-97 Jamsmith Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:53:56 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-97 Daylight comes and goes. Widespread Panic plays a three hour song. Their audience blows itself up with badly aimed fireworks. Everyone is high. The roadies wheel the band members offstage on dollies, still playing their instruments, and pack them into the truck one by one. They will still be noodling when the crew unloads them at the next gig and plugs their instruments in. As an Atlanta musician who know many people associated with Widespread, I just loved that quote. I pasted on my facebook wall. Not just good observation by a grunt, this is great writing. I love the imagery of roadies packing them into cases and plugging them back in at the next time all the while they keep jammin. Every see the Aerosmith video where the roadies actually unpack and assemble Joe Perry backstage? Daylight comes and goes. Widespread Panic plays a three hour song. Their audience blows itself up with badly aimed fireworks. Everyone is high. The roadies wheel the band members offstage on dollies, still playing their instruments, and pack them into the truck one by one. They will still be noodling when the crew unloads them at the next gig and plugs their instruments in.

As an Atlanta musician who know many people associated with Widespread, I just loved that quote. I pasted on my facebook wall. Not just good observation by a grunt, this is great writing. I love the imagery of roadies packing them into cases and plugging them back in at the next time all the while they keep jammin. Every see the Aerosmith video where the roadies actually unpack and assemble Joe Perry backstage?

]]> By: tyler lxc http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-96 tyler lxc Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:59:17 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-96 haha this was a great read! I did my first stagehand job this year at the roo with chattanooga crew . Props ! haha this was a great read! I did my first stagehand job this year at the roo with chattanooga crew . Props !

]]> By: Gungirl http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-94 Gungirl Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:42:39 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-94 Joe, you have always known how to spin a yarn and create the verbal-visual. Thanks for the free trip to Bonnaroo without the heat, crowds & dust. In regard to your quote: “It is not how much we have, but how much we enjoy, that makes happiness.” I had someone tell me years ago that the purpose of higher education is not to allow you to earn more so that you could enjoy life more, but to help you understand how to enjoy and appreciate what you have at any level of income, e.g. fine arts & music. There is something to be said for that mode of thought. Joe, you have always known how to spin a yarn and create the verbal-visual. Thanks for the free trip to Bonnaroo without the heat, crowds & dust.

In regard to your quote: “It is not how much we have, but how much we enjoy, that makes happiness.” I had someone tell me years ago that the purpose of higher education is not to allow you to earn more so that you could enjoy life more, but to help you understand how to enjoy and appreciate what you have at any level of income, e.g. fine arts & music. There is something to be said for that mode of thought.

]]> By: JoeBot http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-93 JoeBot Sun, 19 Jun 2011 02:25:50 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-93 Sectoid is a funny word, not an insult. "Keep it in your pants" is a commonly used expression for both abstinence <em>and</em> marital fidelity. You guys do physically bow down to Krishna cartoons, just like teenagers bow down to 'Lil Wayne, just like Christians stare at pictures of Jesus. I will not argue (here) that God is not in all of them. I have immense respect for the ancient Indian discipline of yoga. Thank you for your concise comment, and good luck on your eternal journey. Sectoid is a funny word, not an insult.

“Keep it in your pants” is a commonly used expression for both abstinence and marital fidelity.

You guys do physically bow down to Krishna cartoons, just like teenagers bow down to ‘Lil Wayne, just like Christians stare at pictures of Jesus. I will not argue (here) that God is not in all of them.

I have immense respect for the ancient Indian discipline of yoga. Thank you for your concise comment, and good luck on your eternal journey.

]]> By: Vakreshvara Das http://rockstarmartyr.net/bonnaroo-2011-for-all-my-riggaz/#comment-92 Vakreshvara Das Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:16:25 +0000 http://rockstarmartyr.net/?p=1596#comment-92 Hey there, Interesting synopsis of Bonnaroo 2011....I believe I might have been the "Hare Krsna dude" you were speaking with, at least part of the time. Just wanted to comment a bit on your opinions and views you stated above. Although to the observer on the street (or at the Roo), devotees of Krsna might look and seem like a bunch of "sectoids" as you call them, or simply cultists due to their similar dress and demeanor, which is understandable. And some of them probably are, as found in any "religious" group. But, as I speak for myself, I can assure you that any spiritual focus I have, any conviction of my beliefs in something other than the materially perceived universe and my lifestyle as a yogi-is not based whatsoever on surrendering to "cartoons of Krsna" as you oddly put it. Krishna Consciousness is surrendering the false concept of the self as a material body for a higher understanding of the self as divine, eternal companion to God, full of sat-chit-ananda (eternal knowledge and divine bliss). This millenium-old path of spiritual yoga is one of deeply personal internal development of spiritual consciousness through different disciplines; some based on the body and intellectual mind, such as hatha yoga and jnana yoga, working up to Bhakti yoga, the yoga of the heart and of devotion. This understanding and attachment to Krishna comes as a result of sincere inquiry into bhakti and a willingness to try something seemingly illogical-chanting sanskrit names of Krishna and reading the Bhagavad Gita, offering selfless service and taking food offered to Krishna. This is the process of cleansing the heart, and only an open heart can perceive higher truths of love. This endless searching of the mind for answers, it's really a search for love. The truth is love. The path of yoga is the much less traveled road to life. It can be pretty hard. Trust me. The devotees you see out distributing books or whatever, they have really surrendered a lot; selfishness, anger, greed, egoism, materialism, and fear. They have undergone a lot of deeply personal purification of the heart to be able to do what they do and put up with the stuff they do. Our fears and attachments to pleasures, be they sexual indulgence, alcohol, drugs, etc, these things become less and less important as one makes progress on the yogic path. It's not that devotees think these things are evil-they're just distractions and pollute or drain the body and consciousness. Once we start reaching higher states of knowledge, bliss, and spiritual fulfillment we would laugh at the idea of drinking booze. It becomes obsolete by choice. And 95% of devotees don't swear off sex forever-they just start a family and restrict their indulgence somewhat. Also, we should avoid sharing misinformation about Krishna's interactions and divine past times, these spiritual topics are far far above both your head and mine. If you really want to understand these things you have to purify your heart first and inquire from a higher source, they are not simply mundane topics to be read about in books and misinterpreted and seen as something they most definitely are not. So as a brother to you I hope that you find those answers you are looking for. Thanks for speaking with us at Bonnaroo. The more you inquire from Krsna Consciousness, the more deep answers will manifest. If you cannot accept the Vedas and Krishna, then I hope you find a spirituality that feels right to you. I hope that peace that surpasses understanding comes to you, you find the answers you seek and you become happy. Hare Krsna. Hey there,
Interesting synopsis of Bonnaroo 2011….I believe I might have been the “Hare Krsna dude” you were speaking with, at least part of the time. Just wanted to comment a bit on your opinions and views you stated above. Although to the observer on the street (or at the Roo), devotees of Krsna might look and seem like a bunch of “sectoids” as you call them, or simply cultists due to their similar dress and demeanor, which is understandable. And some of them probably are, as found in any “religious” group. But, as I speak for myself, I can assure you that any spiritual focus I have, any conviction of my beliefs in something other than the materially perceived universe and my lifestyle as a yogi-is not based whatsoever on surrendering to “cartoons of Krsna” as you oddly put it. Krishna Consciousness is surrendering the false concept of the self as a material body for a higher understanding of the self as divine, eternal companion to God, full of sat-chit-ananda (eternal knowledge and divine bliss). This millenium-old path of spiritual yoga is one of deeply personal internal development of spiritual consciousness through different disciplines; some based on the body and intellectual mind, such as hatha yoga and jnana yoga, working up to Bhakti yoga, the yoga of the heart and of devotion. This understanding and attachment to Krishna comes as a result of sincere inquiry into bhakti and a willingness to try something seemingly illogical-chanting sanskrit names of Krishna and reading the Bhagavad Gita, offering selfless service and taking food offered to Krishna. This is the process of cleansing the heart, and only an open heart can perceive higher truths of love. This endless searching of the mind for answers, it’s really a search for love. The truth is love. The path of yoga is the much less traveled road to life. It can be pretty hard. Trust me. The devotees you see out distributing books or whatever, they have really surrendered a lot; selfishness, anger, greed, egoism, materialism, and fear. They have undergone a lot of deeply personal purification of the heart to be able to do what they do and put up with the stuff they do. Our fears and attachments to pleasures, be they sexual indulgence, alcohol, drugs, etc, these things become less and less important as one makes progress on the yogic path. It’s not that devotees think these things are evil-they’re just distractions and pollute or drain the body and consciousness. Once we start reaching higher states of knowledge, bliss, and spiritual fulfillment we would laugh at the idea of drinking booze. It becomes obsolete by choice. And 95% of devotees don’t swear off sex forever-they just start a family and restrict their indulgence somewhat. Also, we should avoid sharing misinformation about Krishna’s interactions and divine past times, these spiritual topics are far far above both your head and mine. If you really want to understand these things you have to purify your heart first and inquire from a higher source, they are not simply mundane topics to be read about in books and misinterpreted and seen as something they most definitely are not.
So as a brother to you I hope that you find those answers you are looking for. Thanks for speaking with us at Bonnaroo. The more you inquire from Krsna Consciousness, the more deep answers will manifest. If you cannot accept the Vedas and Krishna, then I hope you find a spirituality that feels right to you. I hope that peace that surpasses understanding comes to you, you find the answers you seek and you become happy. Hare Krsna.

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